Sweet Family West of Scotland

Thomas SWEET

Person Chart

Parents

Father Date of Birth Mother Date of Birth
George SWEET 28 NOV 1725 Ann LYON 16 Nov 1721

Person Events

Event Type Date Place Description
Birth 28 AUG 1758 Simprim, Berwickshire
Marriage 14 OCT 1787 Cathcart, Glasgow, Lanark
Death abt 1848 Glasgow, Lanarkshire

Notes

Notes made by Alexander Sweet on a scrap of paper Hazel gave me.:
From Glasgow Directories
1787 Thomas Sweet, Manufacturer, Wareroom, north side, Bell's Wynd
1789 ditto ditto 3rd flat Horn's Land, North Side Argyle Street
1804 ditto ditto 626 Argyle Street
1812 ditto Quarter Master, 427 Gallowgate
1820 ditto Billet Master, 1 Charlotte Lane, house 2 Barrowfield Road
1825 ditto ditto ditto ditto
1825 George Sweet & Co, Ale and Porter Cellars, 1 Charlotte Lane
1829 Thomas Sweet, Quarter Master, Charlotte Lane, house 2, Canning Street, Calton
1829 George Sweet & Co, Wine Cellars, 1 Charlotte Lane
1839 Thomas Sweet, Billet Master, 15 Charlotte Lane, house 38, St Andrew Square
1839 George Sweet, Wine Cellars, ditto ditto ditto

Above Thomas Sweet, my grandfather, = A Sweet, Cathcart
ditto George Sweet, his eldest son, Known as Bailie or the Calton Bailie George Sweet
Reminisences of Glasgow and the West of Scotland by Peter McKenzie written in 1874
refers in volume II page 621 to "one of the handsome mansion houses in St Andrew's Square, Glasgow- which Square was the only grand, complete square in the city fifty years ago" and again in Volume IV, page v, "Charlotte Street and St Andrew's Square hadnot yet ceased to be fashionable localities".

In Glasgow Past and Present 1884 Page 209 /1 29 St Andrews Church architect was Mungo Naismith and it was to be a copy of St Martins-in-the-Fields in London begun in 1739 but not completed until 1756. A handsome square was gradually completed around the church and completed about 1787. Writing in 1849, the author was surprised to find that this comparatively modern and once aristocratic square was showing considerable symptoms of dilapidation and neglect " " about forty years ago St Andrews square was in its heyday for gentility and business"
Glasgow Quartermaster
In the Thomas Sweet junior will, there is mentioned that Thomas senior is quartermaster for Glasgow.
See the below notes:
Excerpt from the Extracts from the records of the Burgh of Glasgow:

19 June 1827

There was produced a petition from Mr Thomas Sweet, quarter master for the city , praying an augmentation of salary, on the ground of additional expense now incurred by him in making surveys of inhabited houses. Which petition having been read, remit thesame to the committee of finance, with instructions to have a conference with the justices of the peace for the county, with the view of theses m agistrates making an allowance to the quarter master for acting in the suburbs without the royalty.

Thomas and Commerce
Thomas In the Jone's directory of 1787, there is mention of a partnership of Hogg, Copland, Sweet & Co wareroom corner house north side Bell's Wynd 2nd flat above No 22.

In the Glasgow directories:
of 1799 he is referred to as manufacturer, Glassford Street.
1801 as above
1803 Thomas Sweet manufacturer 626, Argyll Street also there is reference to
Thomas Sweet Billet Master, Turner's Court (could this be the "quartermaster" to which i found reference. Also
George Sweet & Co ale and porter cellars at 19 Turner's Court and
Sweet's Court 109 Great Hamilto Street
1804 Thomas Sweet manufacturer 626, Argyll Street
1805 Thomas Sweet manufacturer 626, Argyll Street
1806 Thomas Sweet manufacturer Greenhead and reference to
George Sweet & Co manufacturer Post Office Court who is the only mentioned Sweet in 1807. could this be son or more likely brother, George?
1809 no reference
1810 George Sweet manufacturer 46 High Street
1811 George Sweet manufacturer 46 High Street and
Thomas Sweet Quartermaster's office 177 Buchanan's Court, Trongate
1812 Thomas Sweet Quartermaster 427 Gallowgate and (interesttingly)
George junior & Co ale & porter 427 Gallowgate
1813 Thomas Sweet Quartermaster 427 Gallowgate and
George junior & Co ale & porter 427 Gallowgate
1814 as above
1815 no entries
1817 Thomas Sweet Billet Master, Turner's Court and
George Sweet & Co ale and porter cellars at 19 Turner's Court
1818 no entry
1819 no entry
1820 Thomas Sweet Billet Master,1 Charlotte Lane house 2 Barrowfield Road and
George Sweet & Co ale and porter cellars at 1 Charlotte Lane
1821 as above
1822, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27 as above
1828 Thomas Sweet Billet Master,1 Charlotte Lane house 2 Canning St, Calton and
George Sweet & Co WINE cellars at 3 Charlotte Lane also
George Sweet has an entry in Magistrates of the Barony of Calton as a Baillie
1829 there is an entry for Billiet Master's Office 1 Charlotte Lane Billet Master Thomas Sweet and
George Sweet wine merchant 1 Charlotte Lane and
Thomas Sweet Billet Master,1 Charlotte Lane house 2 Canning St, Calton as well as Geroge as a baillie
1830 as above
1831 as above
1832 as above
1833-34 as above plus Sweet's Court is shown as 43 Great Hamilton Street (not 109)
1834-35 as above
1836 -37 as above but note that the Billet Master address is now 15 Charlotte Lane not 1 ad the home address for Thomas is Rae Wilson's Land, Clayslap (See bookmarked Glasgow past and present)
1837-38 Sweet's Court is at 109 Great Hamilton Street again and Thomas now lives at 38 St Andrew Square. No George listed.
1838-39 as above plus George is now listed as wine merchant at 15 Charlotte Lane (Billet Master's address) and he and Thomas are at 38 St Andrew's Square for their house
1839-40 as above
1840-41 Billet Master's address quoted as 14 Charlotte Lane in one place and 15 i another. Both homes are now 13 St Andrew's Square
1841-42 Sweet's Court 109 Great Hamilton Street, Thomas Sweet Billet Master at 15 Charlotte Lane and hone at 13 St Andrew's Square, George wine cellars at same addresses
1843-44 as above
1844-45 as above plus Thomas wine cellar at 13 St Andrew 's Square
1845-46 as above
1846-47 as above plus Clubb & Sweet painters and paper hangers 1 Queen Arcade, Renfrew Street
1847-48 as above but Thomas as Billiet Master and George as wine cellar both at 31 Charlotte Lane now.
1848-49 No George or Thomas Sweet although Sweet's court and Clubb abd Sweet are still entered.
1849-50 as above. The Billet Master is still at 31 Charlotte Lane and is now Duncan McAlpine

Given how closely the entries for Thomas and George match, they are "family". From the census record for George Sweet, wine merchant in 1841 at St Andrew's Sq, aged 51, this would place George as Thomas' son. His death also matches his disappearance fromthe directories.

Career summary:
1785 Burgess in Glasgow
1787 in Jones Directory described as manufacturer, also Hogg, Copland and Sweet
1799 in Glasgow Directory as maufacturer in Glassford Street
1803 in Glasgow Directory as manufacturer and also as Billett Master
1811 in Glasgow Directory as Billet Master from this poiint on until
1848

Billeting Soldiers (from the Glasgow Directory)
"Soldiers on the recruiting service, and notlodged in the Barracks are billeted on the inhabitants in regular rotation, with the following exceptions, viz: Parish Ministers and Schoolmasters, Faculty of Physicians and Surgeons, Faculty of Procurators, Widows and Unmarried Ladies not in business, and who do not keep Lodgers and Paupers; and no inhabtant to have Soldiers billeted on them a second time until the whole are gone over.
Occupiers of houses at £3 and under £5 yearly rent, two men for any number of days under a week- at £5 and upwards, two men for two weeks, or the remainder of the month, which may not hapen to be seventeen days.
When it is inconvenient to furnish Soldiers with a bed, it has been usual in lieu thereof to pay 3s a week for two men, and 2s to sergeants, payable weekly at the option of the inhabitant. Goverment allows a return of 1d each day for each soldier. the Billet Master attends from 11 to 3 o'clock on the 4th of each month (when it does not fall on Sunday,) and the two following days, to pay the Goverment allowance."

In the GRO there is reference to this partnership see attached.

Hogg Copland Sweet & Co

In the Court of Session records held at West Register House, Charlotte Square, E dinburgh there are three cases involving Hogg Copland Sweet & Co.

Ref No Title Date
CS271/33296 Hogg Copland Sweet & Co v William Inglis 1790
CS271/38353 Peter Ferguson v Walter Ewing (Trustee on Hogg Copland
Sweet & Co's sequestrated Estate) 1791
CS271/48728 Peter Ferguson to Walter Ewing MacLae, Trustee on
sequestrated Estate of Hogg Copland Sweet & Co. 1791


The papers relating to this last case are missing.

In themselves the papers don't add much to my knowledge of Hogg Copland Sweet and Company, however they do confirm and add a gloss to a number of items:

· That Hogg Copland Sweet and Company were manufacturers of cloth (Thomas Sweet had purchased a burgess as a weaver);
· That they employed outworkers as was quite normal in the trade;
· That they must have been declared bankrupt some time before 1791; but there is an entry in the 1789 directory for them.

This latter point lead to the explanation that I have found several references to the business of Copland and Sweet, so probably Hogg and they parted company.

33296: excerpts from the papers for this case.

Tuesday 2 March 1790
Answers for William Inglis Farmer at Mastland (or Nastland)

To the Bill of Suspension offered for Hogg Copland Sweet and Company, Manufactur ers in Glasgow.

· The Bill of Suspension now to be answered is like many others of its kind, giv en with a view to get free of the debt altogether
· The Suspendors expecting that the sum in dispute being so trifling in its amou nt the charges would not be worth the trouble or expense to give an answer to th e same.
· The Suspendors who are sreal(?) [or great?] manufacturers in Glasgow employe d the Disponent who lives in a cheap part of the county of Lanark to get some mu slin….wrought for him by some weavers that resided upon his farm which the Dispo nent accordingly got done at and easy rate for the Suspendors and a a balance re mained due to the Disponent of £2…for which he brought an action against the Sus pendor before the Justice of the Peace for Lanark in the district of Glasgow. A s the debt pursued for wasjust and the Suspendors had no counter claim and the y did not offer to appear before the Justice of the Peace which was surely the p roper although regularly summoned….
· With regard to the second reason is with that he Charge was then Jii16ii8 .. t he price of 10 Lbs of Cotton Wool sold him 19 Nov 1787 and that he also…severa l debts belonging to them of more value than the balance due.
· The respondent expressfully denys he owes them one penny for Cotton Wool.
· The medium price for Cotton Wool being at most 1/6 per lb so 10lbs would onl y amount to 15/6 bt Cotton Wool is presently selling at 1/1per lb and with regar d to the Rolls every stock of that not belonging to the Suspendors were long ag o returned to them.
There is no evidence of a signature being….refuse the bill as it is given.


Replies for Hogg Copland Sweet and Co to the Answers for William Inglis
Defended as submitted to the wrong court not one for civil debts.

· ..he cannot prove the fact of citation as he has not produced..itself so mus t be null and void.
· Shameful evasion of the truth..the sum of £1-16/8 is not for Cotton Wool as st ated but for Cotton Wooff and it is plainly written on the bill so that the resp ondent has no pretence for effecting to mistake the work…the price of wool as th e price of woof is at all rates up to 30/- or 40/- per pound according to its fi neness.
· He solicited the work as a favour because he had become bund to find work fo r vacant weavers who lived on his farm.
· His present attempt therefore is merely to snatch an advantage over Mar comple rs (?) or their creditors and he has not been nice in the means.

… your lordship give countenance.
In respect whereof
John Dillon


38353: excerpts from the papers for this case.

Answers for Walter Ewing MacLae merchant in Glasgow, Trustee upon the sequestrat ed estate of Hogg Copland Sweet and Company

Bill of Suspension presented after Peter Ferguson manufacturer in Anderston

Messsr Hogg Copland Sweet and Company having failed sometime ago and the respond ent was appointed trustee upon their sequestrated estate.
Part of the subjects that belonged to the bankrupts has been processed by the co mplainer for 2 years from Martinmas 1788 to Martinmas last at the rent of £30 st erling having failed in pay of their rent..


In the Scots Magazine for Sunday 1 February 1789 under a heading of "Bankrupts":
Feb 22 Hog, Copland, Sweet & Co., manufacturers in Glasgow and John Hogg, Thomas Sweet and William Copland as individuals.…employed as a weaver
St Andrew's Church (in St Andrew's Square, see above)
Thomas (and George) lived in St Andrew's Square from about 1837 to about 1847. [using directory information] , I would think that the square had begun its decline into dilapidation by then see note above.
Reminisences of Glasgow and the West of Scotland by Peter McKenzie written in 1876 Vol IV page 585, there is reference to the church in 1806 or 1807 with its minister Dr William Ritchie. He suggested to the congregation that they might introduce an organti the church to be used for part of the Sunday services. There was an organ for disposal at that time in the city; it was buolt by James Watt the engineer when he lived in a small house in the High Street near to the College of Glasgow and when he movedto England he sold it to Mr John Steven who had the only music shop in Glasgow at 35 Wilson Street. The congregation agreed and the organ installed some time in 1806. To cut short a long story, application was made to the Presbytery of Glasgow who were very much against it and so on 7 Oct 1807 Dr Ritchie agreed " he would not use the organ in the public worship of God, without the authority of the Church. The Presbytery decreed that "the use of organs in public worship of God is contrary to the law and constitution of our Established Church and therefore prohibit it in all of the churches and chapels within their bounds". S
OPR birth
Thomas' father George registered the birth (28 Aug 1758) and was described as a Gardener in Nunraw and a witness was his Governor Mr McCormack
Burgess 1785
Thomas is registered as purchasing a Burgess of Glasgow on 8 Sept 1785 as a weaver

Thomas came to Glasgow (from the Borders) according to Alexander Sweet's artiicle in Scottish Gardener and Northern Forester . He became a manufacturer with his cousin forming a company Sweet, Copland and Co.

In the Jones's Directory for Glasgow 1787 (REPRINTED 1868) a copy of which I have, there is an entry for Thomas Sweet:

"Sweet Thomas, manufacturer, ware room north side Bell's Wynd".

In Bell Street there is a large warehouse a considerably strong structure (now converted to apartments) standing today. It is a stone's throw from the Merchant s Square in the Merchant's City This particular structure looks too modern to be the warehouse.

see Media above, there is an image of Bell Street or Bell's Wynd.

https://ia601701.us.archive.org/12/items/cityofwestking/cityofwestking.pdf

This book published in 1911, written by Jessie King, contains reference to Bell's Wynd. (Page 49 of 60)

In Carol Foreman's book "Glasgow's lost architectural heritage" there is mention on page77 "Although Bell Street, at the Western end of Bell's Wynd, was created in 1710.." Probably through time, reference to Bell's Wynd was dropped. In "Glasgow Observed"by Simon Perry and Hamish Whyte on page 247, there is reference to ".. and( at the corner of Bell Street) the best warehouse in Glasgow, the Bell Street Stores, a six-storey monolith so sheer that pilasters and drainpipes an inch or so thick are sufficient punctuation. The Bell Street front is very slightly curved, providing the same effect as entasis in a Greek column. Bell Street is next door to Glasgow Cross..."

In 1841 census he is staying with his daughter Ann and her husband Robert in Yetholm aged 81.
The directories have his home as St Andrew's Square in Glasgow with George, his son. So where is the family in 1841?:
John born 1791 now in Jamaica
George born 1790: with Catherine his wife
Alexander born 1793 now in Jamaica
Catherine born 1796 married now to George Fyffe: not on 1841 census, presumed dead?
James born 1797 now living in Cathcart with his wife Mary
Thomas born 1799 died in 1818
Anne born 1801 now in Yetholm with Robert, her cousin
Catherine his wife died in 1832.
Eric Birkett Notes:

EB quotes Graham Grant as recording " The Sweets moved from Kent at the time of Mary Tudor's progroms, settling in Sweetholme, Kirk Yetholm, near Kelso. [PMS : actually Town Yetholm]. Theirs was the first private house with glass windows. Farming and horses. Moved to Glasgow where there was a connection with the tobacco trade in Virginia (Robertsons) spoilt by the American Wars; then the Ship Bank, Union Bank of Scotland, now the Bank of Scotland. Until retirement of Alistair Sweet there had been a continuous line of Sweets in these banks"

Thomas Sweet, manufacturer in Glasgow, at Glassford Street, married Catherine, daughter of John Robertson ("John of the Bank", Glasgow Arms Bank). Other daughters of John Robertson, a Dingwall man, married (a) Principal Rainy, an eminent Scottish church man and (b) the father of William Ewart Gladstone, four times UK Prime Minister in 19th centuary.
From: Annals of Glasgow A brief account of the City from its origin, till 1816. James Cleland, L.L.D.

Page 420:
"Billeting of Soldiers.
Recruiting Parties, Dragoons and other Soldiers, who are not quartered in the Barracks, are billeted on the inhabitants, whose house-rent amounts to £3 and upwards, per annum, unless the possessors are legally exempted.
The practice us, to make out a list of the whole housekeepers in the twenty-four Police wards, whose rents are £3 and upwards.exclusive of the following persons, who are priveleged, viz. Parochial Ministers, Parochial Schoolmasters, the whole Members of the Faculty of Physicians and Surgeons and Procurators, Widows and unmarried Ladies who are not in business, and Paupers. The list is regularly exhausted over the whole City, before any person is liable to have soldiers billeted on them a second time; persons whose rent is £3, and under £5, are liable to have two men billeted on them for any number of days under a week, and those whose rents are £5 and upwards, are liable to have two men billtede on them for two weeks, or the residue of the month, which may happen to be seventeen days. As doubts had arisen whether soldiers could insist on a bed or be compelled to take a reasonable compensation in money, it is now ascertained, that, if the soldier desire it, the householder is obliged to find him a wholesome bed in hos own, or in some other suitable house; when it is not convenient to give a bed, the parties usually agree upon a sum in lieu therof, which is generally from 3s. to 4s. per week, for two men, payable weekly, in the option of the inhabitant. asGovernment allows the citizens a return of 9d. per week, and 1d. per night for the odd nights for each soldier, the Billet-Master attends at his office, on the 28th, and the two succeeding days of each month, from eleven a.m. till three o'clock, p.m. to pay the Government allowance; when the 28th or any of the two succeeding days falls on a Sunday, the Monday is substituted in its place. If the claimant does not apply in the time specified, he is not entitled to the draw-back, (according to established practice,) except on similar days on succeeding months, within the space of one year. Dragoon Horses are billeted on Inn-Keepers, according to the extent of their accommodation; the only recompense which they receive for the useof their stables, is manure from the horses, as the quarter-masters generally lay in their own forage. The Dragoons are sometimes billeted on the Change-Keepers or other inhabitants, separate from their Horses, according to existing circumstances."

Page 481
Rental of Glasgow, in 1815.
viz.
The Rental within the Royalty, exclusive of Calton, Bridgeton, Hutchistown, Gorbals, Tradestown, Anderston, Grahamston, and that part which lies north of Argyle-street, to the westward of St. Enoch's Burn, is £240,000.

Subdivided nearly as follows: viz.
7455 Dwelling-Houses charged under £5 per annum,………… £25,000
3470 Ditto at £5, and under £20…………………………………… 35,000
1150 Ditto at £20, and under £40…………………………………. 30,200
668 Ditto at £40, and upwards,……………………………………. 29,000
Shops, Warehouses, Bake-Houses, and other places
of business, Stables, Etc…………………………………….. 120,800
______ _________
12,743 Dwelling-Houses Total Rental, ….. £240,000

As there are a number of places of business within the Royalty, for which no tax is paid, an exact enumeration of the whole cannot be given. If the average Rent, however, of places of business over the whole City, be taken at £20, there will be 6040 within the Royalty, making a total of dwelling-houses and places of business to amount to 18,783."
As t
Glasgow Past and Present 1884 Volume 1 of 3; this version Vol I, II form Vol I

Page 46 a labyrinth or maze of houses in Bell Street was order ed to be taken down. McUre writes thus in 1736:- "bell's Wynd hath a noble gate, and entry of curious workmanship , that excels all others in the city. It strikes west for the Kirk Street ( High Street) and is of length two hundred and twenty ells and ten ells wide. In it is the mutton market. This Wynd has eleven new lodgings."

History of Glasgow Dugald Stewart 1830
Page 130 Bells Wynd, no reference to Sweet but James Arbuckle is mentioned. I know that from somewhere.

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